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Dura Ace 9000 Spy Photos

Hot on the heels of some released Dura Ace 9000 information, photos have been appearing on the web of a one Alex Dowsett's Pinarello Dogma 2 kitted out in prototype Dura Ace 9000 mechanical parts.  Apparently Nieuwsblad was the perfect testing ground for such new parts, as they were also spied on Carlos Barredo's spare Giant on the team car.  Interestingly, they were the only two bikes to be seen with the new 11 speed variant, which is surprising given the supposed Fall 2012 release date and the number of pros riding Shimano transmissions for the early classics.  The spy shots show levers, brakes and rear cluster/derailleur, all relatively unmarked/branded/finished, which is typical for prototype parts, so speculation remains as to the finish and aesthetics.  Anyway, enough posturing, let's get a look at the photos.

Looking at the shifters, they certainly look to be mimicking the current Campy line and (new) SRAM Red shifters:

Dura Ace 9000 shifter

Two more photos after the break.

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Dura Ace 9000 Rumors

So some recent leaks have developed regarding the upcoming Dura Ace 9000 group, slated for release later this year.  As we know already, Shimano is following Campagnolo down the 11 speed road, but other than that, details have been surprisingly hard to come by.  Right now, this is what seems to be out there, along with my thoughts on each point.

First off, here's the simple “Ok, that's nice” kind of stuff:

– There will be electronic (Di2) and mechanical versions.

– The hoods on the mechanical STI levers are smaller, with a more ergonomic fit and feel.

– The brakes are all new. There are two mounting options: standard center bolt and two-bolt aero/TT style.

– Shimano did not add any more carbon: Like DA7900, only the brake-lever blades and rear-derailleur pulley cage are carbon.

Now for the meat of what Shimano is doing:

– DA9000 Di2 gets shift levers, “similar” to Ultegra Di2, as well as the narrow-diameter Di2 wiring harness unveiled on the new Ultegra Di2.

This is a good thing.  As it stands, Di2 7900 has a specific wiring harness that's incompatible with Ultegra.  By standardizing the wiring harness some compatibility is restored to the two lines.

– The cranks use a four-arm spider (like Shimano mountain cranks; current road cranks use a five-arm spider) and a new, lighter, bottom-bracket system. Shimano is sticking with their 24mm axle standard; there is no BB30 or BB386EVO option.

Christ almighty, here we go again.  Another chainring standard to try and force more chainring sales.  Now we're going to 4 arm cranks along with a new BB system?  Another BB standard?  I see this as a pretty bad move, Shimano.

– The mechanical version will use a proprietary shift cable.

Oh brother.  So we can't spend $4 on a standard shifter cable, but we'll have to buy (probably horribly marked up) Shimano cables now?  Yet again, bad move Shimano.

– Front-derailleur shifting effort is reduced by 38% (claimed).

Reduced front shifting effort is nice, but how light does it need to be?  Most people aren't needing to go to the gym in order to shift to their big chainring.

– The mechanical group’s weight is claimed at 1,908 grams, a 67-gram reduction from Dura-Ace 7900.

That's not much of a weight decrease.  Seems like Campy and SRAM are ahead in this category.

– The cassette and freehub body are wider: 10-speed cassettes will work on 11-speed wheels (with a spacer), but not vice versa. Rear hub spacing remains 130mm.

Get ready to buy new wheels everyone.  According to this, there will be different length freehubs from 10 and 11 speed, which we can assume may require different hub flange spacing.  However at this time, this is somewhat muddy and I'll need more information on compatibility to make further comment.

 

Overall, it sounds like Shimano is simply trying to introduce yet another standard, requiring people to buy yet more parts.  No just buying shifters, cassette and chain in this case…you'll be springing for a rear wheel as well and proprietary cables (which you'd better have a few of them in your toolbox in case you need one on a Sunday afternoon.)  Honestly, I'm more exited by the new SRAM Red release, and it will be interesting to see what Campy does with this.

Tales Our Tape Tells

Dirty 'Cross TapeAside from the saddle, one of the most intimate and tell-tale parts of a bike are the handlebars.  Not only do they mount the “brains” of the transmission (the shifters,) but they are always wrapped in some sort of ribbon like material that gives away some key parts of the rider's personality.  Is the rider single-mindedly obsessed with speed or is comfort a concern?  Are aesthetics an important part of their values?  Where does cleaning and neatness fit into their persona?  If you stop to think about it, bar tape is an expression of ourselves as riders, as well as your bike's way of telling stories.  No part of the bike is more visibly affected by daily use and the moments, both good and bad, that stand out in a season's worth of riding.

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SRAM Red Hydraulic Updates

SRAM Red hydraulic disc brakeSome information has been released from SRAM about the chatter their latest leak has generated.  A lot of forums have been abuzz with the new offerings and what this will mean to road and cyclocross, frame design and future compatibility.  The following quotes have been taken from Velonews.com who ran the article, and my take on them follows:

On the lever shape, which some have commented is “tall and blocky:”

“SRAM road product manager Bill Keith insists that the hydraulic lever shown in these images is not final, but given the mid-summer release timeframe we can assume it is quite close.”

It looks like a pretty final design to me.  In all reality, I don't see much other way they can get away with stuffing the master cylinder into the lever body, considering the DoubleTap mechanism can't really be disturbed within the body of the shifter as it is.  Either way, it appears to be a much more blocky version of the svelte Campagnolo 11 speed levers we've come to know and love.

On lever weight:

“SRAM’s Charles Becker claimed that the new lever would remain at a competitive weight during the presentation last week. “It’ll be a bit heavier, but not as much as you think,” he said. We have no further information on weights at this time.”

Mountain bike disc brakes are approaching epically light territory, and I would expect these would be no exception.  However, while they are likely to be light, swapping cables and housing for hydraulic fluid and line, as well as increasing the amount of weight in the shifter body, adding a rotor, heavier hubs and hardware will likely add several hundred grams in reality.

“‘This isn’t just a mountain brake stuck on a road bike,' insisted Becker. “It’s designed specifically around 700c use.” It doesn’t even carry the Avid brand name, but rather fits the style and graphics of the new Red group.”

“From that we can infer that the whole system will be slightly less powerful than SRAM’s top mountain brakes, with a greater focus on improved modulation. Such a change becomes vital with a road disc system due to drastically decreased tire contact patch and subsequent ease of overpowering the tire and locking up a wheel.”

When it comes down to it, most mountain bikes with larger tires (as is chic these days) are pretty close to “700c” diameter anyway.  I don't see there being much difference.

More important is the second point since the tire contact patch is far smaller.  In all honesty, how many of you CAN'T lock up your brakes right now?  If you look at the current braking system, the longest lever arm for braking is at the edge of the rim: current brakes are basically huge discs with mechanical calipers.  What's severely lacking is braking power in the wet, particularly with carbon rims; right now I don't see carbon rim development to be at its terminus, so I would expect braking surface improvements to solve these issues in the future.

“As of now, the caliper will use a regular post mount, but Becker hinted that SRAM is working with frame manufacturers to develop a road-specific mount. Don’t wait for it though — any changes on that front are at least a year or two away.”

Ahhh, joy.  Yet ANOTHER standard for the consumer to “swallow.”  It's bad enough we have about 8 different bottom bracket standards and half a dozen headset variations, but now we'll have a “road specific disc mount” standard?  Sounds like a great marketing ploy.  Post mount has worked on mountain bikes for years….why wouldn't it work on the road?

SRAM Red hydraulic rim brake

“While the RT8 essentially works by pushing a wedge in between two levers, SRAM’s offering is a single-pivot brake that functions much like its mechanical brethren. It even has a quick-release lever and, though I couldn’t get anyone at SRAM to confirm it last week, appears to have a barrel adjuster as well. As the slides say, tires up to 28c will fit without issue, and the power curves are designed around wide rims like Zipp’s Firecrest models.”

Now this is somewhat unclear.  It seems they are saying the hydraulic rim caliper will be designed for wide rims specifically.  Does that mean there will be a performance drop off for those of use (the majority I'm going to propose) who use standard rims?  Not everyone has gone to 23mm or larger rims, and I'd be very curious to know how these will work with older models.

Update 3/31/12: You can check out Colnago's C59 Disc with formula hydraulics right here.

Thoughts?  Comments?

SRAM Red Hydraulic Brakes

SRAM has released some “leaked” info on their road disc brakes, as well as their hydraulic rim brakes.  Thanks to Road.cc for the photos.

First up, the new hydraulic rim brakes are designed to take a 28mm tire, be compatible with wide style rims (like the Zipp Firecrest) and will work with the revamped Red hydraulic levers (shown below.)  These seem to be quite different than Magura's hydraulic rim brake as seen on the Cervelo P5, designed to work more like a traditional caliper that is actuated by a small hydraulic piston.  The design is very well executed, looking sleek and refined as the photo shows.

SRAM Red hydraulic disc brakeThe hydraulic disc option looks like a very pared down version of the Avid Elixir mountain bike disc brake.  There's no doubt it will be lighter than the mountain variety, but I question the stopping power it will provide with such a small piston (and supposedly only using 140mm and 160mm discs.)  Mountain passes should be interesting.

Sadly, the lever is NOT the same as the new mechanical Red, with a taller hump on the front of the body which presumably houses the master cylinder.  This means yet another different body design to adjust your hands to, incompatible parts (brake lever blade, body, hoods, etc) and no option to simply swap to mechanical parts by removing the master cylinder from the lever (there was some speculation hydraulic master cylinders could be retrofitted to the new Red levers, but that's not the case.)

 

All in all, not bad.  I don't think it's going to have the desired effect in road racing for quite some time.  One of the biggest hurdles in the widespread acceptance of road disc brakes is the lack of disc specific frames, forks and wheels.  While companies like Volagi are already producing disc specific road bikes, it will take a while for the mainstream manufacturers to catch up.  It seems that manufacturers typically flesh out their next model year by the summer, so they may be running too close to deadlines to be able to include disc specific options.  Wheel manufacturers have the challenge of fitting something else in the 130mm rear spacing used by road bikes; not only do they have 11 cogs and the actual spokes, but not they'll need disc mounts, and that could take some time to engineer.  Some cyclocross frames are ready to rock, however, sporting 135mm rear spacing (lots of disc hub options) and disc caliper tabs.  Cyclocross racers will rejoice with the power and modulation provided by hydraulic discs far before road riders will, I'm afraid.

What probably will be a big seller around the summer release will be the hydraulic rim option.  Greater overall stopping power along with (what can be guessed to be) excellent modulation and almost maintenance free existence will be a blessing for those who are sick and tired of faffing with brake cables and other brake hardware.  I can also see this option as being quite popular on the next model year's bikes as well, since it should be a bolt on replacement.

More info can be found on my update here: SRAM Red Hydraulic Updates.

Update 3/31/12: You can check out Colnago's C59 Disc with formula hydraulics right here.